[SAC-HELP] Response file confusion

Tien-Huei Wang twang024 at ucr.edu
Wed Mar 14 14:04:45 PDT 2012


Hi,

   Sorry, oops! I had posted the wrong time span. The response file from
IRIS has the same poles and zeros throughout. Allow me the repost:

=======
#
###################################################################################
#
B050F03     Station:     RDM
B050F16     Network:     AZ
B052F03     Location:    ??
B052F04     Channel:     BHE
B052F22     Start date:  2004,056,18:43:30
B052F23     End date:    2011,204,18:14:59
#
#                  +-----------------------------------+
#                  |    Response (Poles and Zeros)     |
#                  |        AZ  RDM        BHE         |
#                  |     02/25/2004 to 07/23/2011      |
#                  +-----------------------------------+
#
B053F03     Transfer function type:                A
B053F04     Stage sequence number:                 1
B053F05     Response in units lookup:              M/S - velocity in meters
per second
B053F06     Response out units lookup:             V - emf in volts
B053F07     A0 normalization factor:               +5.74357E+12
B053F08     Normalization frequency:               +2.00000E-01
B053F09     Number of zeroes:                      5
B053F14     Number of poles:                       9
#              Complex zeroes:
#              i  real          imag          real_error    imag_error
B053F10-13     0  +0.00000E+00  +0.00000E+00  +0.00000E+00  +0.00000E+00
B053F10-13     1  +0.00000E+00  +0.00000E+00  +0.00000E+00  +0.00000E+00
B053F10-13     2  -1.51500E+01  +0.00000E+00  +0.00000E+00  +0.00000E+00
B053F10-13     3  -3.18600E+02  +4.01200E+02  +0.00000E+00  +0.00000E+00
B053F10-13     4  -3.18600E+02  -4.01200E+02  +0.00000E+00  +0.00000E+00
#              Complex poles:
#              i  real          imag          real_error    imag_error
...


>From all helps and also to my understanding that the instrument may change
over different times, therefore the poles and zeros should be different
from time to time.
But at least from my requested file, it is pretty much the same through out
2000-2011.

--Tien


On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Milton Plasencia <mplasencia at inogs.it>wrote:

>
> Hi Tien,
>
> at first glance, if you see the start time of the response files are
> different, so
> i think that are different instruments.
> cheers,
>
> Milton
>
>
> On Mar 14, 2012, at 7:57 PM, Tien-Huei Wang wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >     I 've been using broadband data from IRIS on research and recently
> encounter a confusing thing about response.
> > I am using the BH* channels of network AZ, and it should be velocity
> data. I downloaded sac files from SCEC stp.
> > I originally request response file in SEED format, then extracted it to
> be RESP.AZ.XXX..BHX, the response file.
> > Recently, because I want to confirm the amplitudes in velocity and also
> in displacement is correct, I went to IRIS SeismiQuery to get the response
> file updated until 2011. Surprisingly, the extracted response file from my
> SEED format and the response file from SeismiQuery are different.
> > The RDSEED extracted response file has 2 zeros and 5 poles, but the
> response file from SeismiQuery has 5 zeros 9 poles.
> > I thought 2 zeros is standard for velocity response, had no idea what
> the 5 zeros are. They are from the same time span for same station.
> >
> > Post front portion of RESP files
> > 1. from RDSEED:
> > =================================
> > #               << IRIS SEED Reader, Release 4.7.5 >>
> > #
> > #               ======== CHANNEL RESPONSE DATA ========
> > B050F03     Station:     RDM
> > B050F16     Network:     AZ
> > B052F03     Location:    ??
> > B052F04     Channel:     BHE
> > B052F22     Start date:  2004,056,18:43:30
> > B052F23     End date:    No Ending Time
> > #               =======================================
> > #               +
> +--------------------------------------------+                +
> > #               +               |   Response (Poles & Zeros),   RDM ch
> BHE   |                +
> > #               +
> +--------------------------------------------+                +
> > #
> > B053F03     Transfer function type:                A [Laplace Transform
> (Rad/sec)]
> > B053F04     Stage sequence number:                 1
> > B053F05     Response in units lookup:              M/S - velocity in
> meters per second
> > B053F06     Response out units lookup:             V - emf in volts
> > B053F07     A0 normalization factor:               5.91892E+07
> > B053F08     Normalization frequency:               0.159155
> > B053F09     Number of zeroes:                      2
> > B053F14     Number of poles:                       5
> > #               Complex zeroes:
> > #                 i  real          imag          real_error    imag_error
> > B053F10-13    0  0.000000E+00  0.000000E+00  0.000000E+00  0.000000E+00
> > B053F10-13    1  0.000000E+00  0.000000E+00  0.000000E+00  0.000000E+00
> > #               Complex poles:
> > #                 i  real          imag          real_error    imag_error
> > B053F15-18    0 -3.701000E-02  3.701000E-02  0.000000E+00  0.000000E+00
> > B053F15-18    1 -3.701000E-02 -3.701000E-02  0.000000E+00  0.000000E+00
> > B053F15-18    2 -2.513000E+02  0.000000E+00  0.000000E+00  0.000000E+00
> > B053F15-18    3 -1.310000E+02  4.673000E+02  0.000000E+00  0.000000E+00
> > B053F15-18    4 -1.310000E+02 -4.673000E+02  0.000000E+00  0.000000E+00
> >
> >
> > 2. from SeismiQuery
> > ======================================
> >
> >
> ###################################################################################
> > #
> > B050F03     Station:     RDM
> > B050F16     Network:     AZ
> > B052F03     Location:    ??
> > B052F04     Channel:     BHE
> > B052F22     Start date:  2000,264,20:11:00
> > B052F23     End date:    2001,250,20:49:00
> > #
> > #                  +-----------------------------------+
> > #                  |    Response (Poles and Zeros)     |
> > #                  |        AZ  RDM        BHE         |
> > #                  |     09/20/2000 to 09/07/2001      |
> > #                  +-----------------------------------+
> > #
> > B053F03     Transfer function type:                A
> > B053F04     Stage sequence number:                 1
> > B053F05     Response in units lookup:              M/S - velocity in
> meters per second
> > B053F06     Response out units lookup:             V - emf in volts
> > B053F07     A0 normalization factor:               +5.74357E+12
> > B053F08     Normalization frequency:               +2.00000E-01
> > B053F09     Number of zeroes:                      5
> > B053F14     Number of poles:                       9
> > #              Complex zeroes:
> > #              i  real          imag          real_error    imag_error
> > B053F10-13     0  +0.00000E+00  +0.00000E+00  +0.00000E+00  +0.00000E+00
> > B053F10-13     1  +0.00000E+00  +0.00000E+00  +0.00000E+00  +0.00000E+00
> > B053F10-13     2  -1.51500E+01  +0.00000E+00  +0.00000E+00  +0.00000E+00
> > B053F10-13     3  -3.18600E+02  +4.01200E+02  +0.00000E+00  +0.00000E+00
> > B053F10-13     4  -3.18600E+02  -4.01200E+02  +0.00000E+00  +0.00000E+00
> > #              Complex poles:
> > #              i  real          imag          real_error    imag_error
> > B053F15-18     0  -3.70000E-02  +3.70000E-02  +0.00000E+00  +0.00000E+00
> > B053F15-18     1  -3.70000E-02  -3.70000E-02  +0.00000E+00  +0.00000E+00
> > B053F15-18     2  -1.59900E+01  +0.00000E+00  +0.00000E+00  +0.00000E+00
> > ...
> >
> >
> > Does anyone know why and how this will affect our final outcome? What
> are the outputs and will they be consistent?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > --Tien
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